My players never raise their experience, what’s the deal?
Experience in Hattrick exists just like in real football, players gain experience through different types of matches and could to some extent weigh up what they’re lacking in main skill with a high level of experience. Something that often is widely discussed in the conferences is how the rise in experience work, how much experience points (explained further below) is actually needed to have your player pop one level in experience? Also, how much experience does a player gain from certain types of matches? What are the negative effects of inexperienced players?
So first we’ll address the downsides of having inexperienced players. Inexperienced players are just as in real football more likely to make mistakes (inexperience special event) - meaning he’ll get a bit shaky and mistime a few tackles, hence, he’s more likely to get booked more often. Of course, inexperienced players are also more unlikely to score on a penalty if your game goes to penalties in for example a cup game. The effect of experience has also been proved in the past to be non-linear which is worth a mention. Experience is of course also more important to the team captain than to the rest of the team, there’s been a couple of theories regarding this, the most spoken of is that the team captain’s experience is counted twice.
As mentioned the entire model around experience is based upon experience points (referred to below as XP). There hasn’t been many studies done to find out exactly how much experience points a player needs to pop one level in experience, but the common agreement is that it is somewhere between 25 and 35. After every game each player has about a 33% possibility of raising their experience, this is only, and solely a chance factor. How much each player would yield in experience (from chance) depends on what type of game he has actually played, this is calculated from the following numbers:
A player will receive:
- 0.3 XP from a national friendly
- 0.6 XP from a national friendly with cuprules
- 0.6 XP from an international friendly
- 1.2 XP from an international friendly with cuprules
- 3.0 XP from a league game
- 6.0 XP from a cup or a qualification game
Some of you might think that these numbers are double of what you’ve seen before, as this is the general confusion, I’ll address this right away. In addition to the possibility of receiving the ‘chance-XP’, ALL players that have received a yellow/red card, got injured, or have scored during a match will also receive experience points as per the following numbers:
- 0.1 XP from a national friendly
- 0.2 XP from a national friendly with cuprules
- 0.2 XP from an international friendly
- 0.4 XP from an international friendly with cuprules
- 1.0 XP from a league game
- 2.0 XP from a cup or a qualification game
This of course means that as set piece takers and forwards often score more goals, they’ve got a tendency to rise in experience quicker than other players. This also works the other way around; as keepers never get a yellow or red card nor score a goal (unless set piece taker) - keepers will not rise as fast in experience as other players. It’s also worth noticing that a player that scores a hattrick doesn’t receive more XP because of this, nor does a player that scores and get booked in the same match receive more XP.
If you’re already thinking about what this means for your players; it basically means that your average player will pop in experience after about one and a half season if he plays only in the league every week. So, what if your player is in the national team? Well, to say the least this will speed things rapidly. No one really knows how much a national team friendly yields in experience points, but it’s suggested that it might be around 4. However, if he happens to get into the starting eleven for the national team while they play a tournament game, every player will receive 10 XP (!).
Comment by moooooo on 17 September 2008:
‘This of course means that as set piece takers and forwards often score more goals, they’ve got a tendency to rise in experience quicker than other players. This also works the other way around; as keepers practically never get a yellow or red card nor score a goal (unless set piece taker) - keepers will not rise as fast in experience as other players. It’s also worth noticing that a player that scores a hattrick doesn’t receive more XP because of this, nor does a player that scores and get booked in the same match receive more XP.’
I think this is wrong - they do not raise exp quicker.
Comment by spinsis on 17 September 2008:
Point taken, might have been a bad way of getting this message through. But as a set-piece is more likely to score a goal from a set piece than the other players (as he gets more chances due to taking set pieces), he’s more likely to get shown in the match-report, and hence receive XPs.
Comment by napoleono on 20 September 2008:
“6.0 XP from a cup or a qualification game”
they only receive double for a cup/qualification game
so 4 points
Comment by spinsis on 20 September 2008:
It’s actually just 2 (twice of a league game which is 1), but if you read the full post, you’ll see this further explained under this:
“Some of you might think that these numbers are double of what you’ve seen before, as this is the general confusion, I’ll address this right away. In addition to the possibility of receiving the ‘chance-XP’, ALL players that have received a yellow/red card, got injured, or have scored during a match will also receive experience points as per the following numbers.”
Comment by busawreck on 6 October 2008:
SP takers/attackers etc will not pop in experience faster in general. A 100% chance of getting 1 point is worth exactly as much as a 33% chance of getting 3 points (as those who don’t score etc get).
The whole “match report” myth should also be avoided. Players scoring or getting an injury or a card get an automatic experience update as they will anyway be updated due to the goal/card/injury. Other players in the match report will not get that update.
Btw, you can skip the “practically” in “keepers practically never get a yellow or red card”. They simply can’t get a card.
Comment by turanan on 13 November 2008:
I think that should be fixed, because in real football goalies can get a yellow or a red card. And they do get them on rare occasions. And I’ve seen a goalie in hattrick injured, but only for a week and a half (he was playing goalkeeper position when he got injured).
Comment by darian612 on 9 December 2008:
Responding to busawreck
Actually goalkeepers may get card and may get injured. Why, because it’s happened to me, both. I’ve at least once had an Injured Goalkeeper and also I’ve had at least once a goalkeeper with a red card. This due to the following
Injury: Goalkeeper “tries to defend” the ball from an opponent and gets into rough contact by him, bla bla bla, injured.
Red Card: Goalkeeper “tries to defend” the ball or tries to avoid the opponent from scoring and “tackles” him (foul), so, he gets a red card.
red cards are a pain in the ass, since someone else has to take his position, injuries are only substituted
just for the record
Comment by hatless on 15 December 2008:
GKs certainly do get injured. I bought a new GK a couple of weeks ago and he picked up a +4 injury in his first, and so far only, game for me.
Comment by P.J. on 17 December 2008:
Ok, this is really good info, but if the initial statement about xp points is wrong (as it appears so by people questioning it) can we get it updated to the correct levels?
I find this info invaluable. I’ll only be having international friendlies with cup rules from now on…..